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Friday 24 July 2009
work is the answer
if how to get out of poverty is the question, says Tom Harris MP. And he's right. Get a job. It really is that simple.
29 comments:
Anonymous
said...
AmI missing the point or is that a joke.I work in catering,thru an agency.This time last year the average number of hospitality jobs posted at my jobcentre was about a hundred,over the past 6 months or so the average is about 45.And,yes,[I suppose you will call me a racist]the large number of east europeans,predominately poles,hasn't helped the situation.
You ever been an employer? Trying to create jobs without going bust? Oh - I suppose NuLab should be paying employers to create jobs, but with what should they pay us, dear lady, dear lady? With what should they pay us, with what?
You know what I mean.'East Europeans'are elbowing people out of the job market.And when was the last time you had any personal experience of working in an employment environment,such as catering,...?
Tom Harris is trying to make the point that to work is the way to better yourself and to get by. One problem there----for far too many people there is no way that they are going to be able to earn enough money to make it worthwhile taking a job even if they could get one nowadays. Basic costs such as rents,council tax and the fact that taxation on income starts at such a low level mean that it is financially unviable for many people to work even if they wanted to! What we should be doing in this country is to create the conditions that make it advantageous to work and then perhaps more of the long term unemployed might feel the need to do something. Anonymous mentions the east Europeans,who through no fault of their own have contributed to this situation-----large numbers of immigrants who come here and are prepared to work for less money than the native, serve to keep the level of wages down and push up the cost of accomodation. This is not racism , but simply fact.
so "East Europeans" are not "people" are they? How very odd. There is a minimum wage,and very many people who work in catering are paid the minimum wage. Any employer who pays less is breaking the law and should be prosecuted. End of. And since you ask I am in an "employment environment" at present. Let me try to explain. It is an old-fashioned but rather simple arrangement. I turn up at a place at pre-arranged hours and days and do things it has been arranged that I will do, and every month they pay me some money. Ever encountered that arrangement? It's called going to work.
I did'nt ask if you were in an 'employment environment'.I asked if you had any experience of the situation in catering on which to base your'e judgements.In other words do you know of that which you speak Ms Griffiths.I think not.
You might have left the House of Fiddlers, but haven't lost the grandee mindset have you ? Is your "employment situation" a series of short term contracts through an agency for which you compete with what feels like the rest of the world in your own country, on a downward spiral for price ? No, thought not. No doubt it's something altogether more comfortable. Vote Labour my arse.
dear oh dear. Apologies for misunderstanding, Anonymous - a good grammar book will help you use commas and apostrophes correctly, otherwise misunderstanding can often ensue. If you had left the comma out after "employment environment" your meaning would have been clear. Just as well you don't write for a living, isn't it? And, Anonymous, I have not used this blog to encourage people to vote Labour, there are plenty of others to do that - although it is what I shall do at the general election as I think my UK MP, Kate Hoey,is excellent. Now if you will excuse me I must dead-head my pelargoniums.
I would have thought you would have been more tolerant of lapses in english grammar:I seem to recall you defending a labor councillor in Reading who wasn't literate in english on the grounds he wouldn't understand the relevantmaterial if it was in his own language.[M Iqbal I seem to recall.What DID happen to him?]
I would have thought you would have been more tolerant of lapses in english grammar: why? I work as an editor, it is my job to be intolerant of lapses in English grammar. I seem to recall you defending a labor councillor in Reading who wasn't literate in english Never done such a thing. Not ever. Not true. on the grounds he wouldn't understand the relevantmaterial if it was in his own language. huh? doesn't make sense; if he wouldn't have understood it in English because he wasn't literate in that language then surely he WOULD have understood it in his own language. Perhaps this comment has been badly translated from some other language. [M Iqbal I seem to recall.What DID happen to him?] Last time I saw Mohammad Iqbal he was living quietly in Reading with his family. And your point is?
God, Jane, you write like a teacher (I know too many of those - and I, too, do quite a lot of editing work). In staying within the EU we have agreed to a roller coaster ride that in many ways disturbs the way we were. The (allegedly) settled English way of life has been disturbed - oh dear! But here we always had the poor, the ones without a stable job, the ones with poor health, the ones... A friend who walks a lot in the country remarked recently about the way that the countryside has changed, with the middle class car using tribe buying up all the property - he likened it to the highland clearances - that is a home grown change, not an imported one, and NuLab failed us while it was happening.
Look,at the end of the day we are talking about the impact of european labour on the domestic job market.Not to mention the impact of large numbers of transient youth on settled communities struggling to defend local political agendas.i.e housing,education,health.Its really that simple:and you should abandon your day dreams of Europa[and Im not talking about a hotel in Belfast]and listen to what ordinary people have to say on the subject...
It seems that my comments no longer make their way through to be published on the post. Possibly the truth about jobs and immigration (without the bull) is not allowed on this site ----such a shame!!
Unfortunately not a Howard Thomas free zone anonymous!! At least I don't hide behind anonymity to make my comments!!
Anyway , I was always used to be under the impression that the Labour party was in existance to help the average working person to get a better deal out of life. However in recent years there seems to have been quite a big switch round in so much as by having an open door immigration policy many new workers have entered the UK job market. This has led to UK wage levels being kept down while accomodation costs have risen.This has not led to a better standard of living for the average person,it has made basic costs more expensive , to be paid for by wages that have not kept pace. Now lets make it quite clear that this is not the fault of the immigrant ,who after all is only here to improve their lot. It is the fault of the system/government that allows it! England is now the most densely populated country in Europe, and there has to come a point at which it is full.I would suggest that this point is now. I have friends from many parts of the world that live here in England---these include Serbia, Spain,Estonia,India,Italy,West Indies etc etc, but what is clear is that this country is quite simply not big enough to allow immigration to continue at the levels that have been allowed in recent years.
Spoken like a true Tory Anonymous!! Hide behind the curtain and make comments and hope nobody spots who you are---what a plonker! Show yourself if you dare, it might give any argument you make worth listening to------oh ,sorry I forgot ,you only make silly comments
I'm not sure that knowing who someone is actually adds to the strength of their arguments. After all, a name is only a name, it's the thought that counts is is not? The fact that you're called Howard Thomas neither adds nor detracts to how I feel about the nonsence you spout, so the fact you don't know me from Adam / Eve is neither here nor there, hein?
And by the way, why are you over evey blog like a rash as if your every thought needs to be shared. Excuse my musings, but I feel we must be told!
Anonymous Rodders----If it wasn't for people reading blogs and then leaving their comments, then there would be no point in the author writing the blog( perhaps you might agree to that ) As for whether to want to read what I say or not ----tough shit(your choice Rodders)---its my opinion and the opinion of many others that immigration has run out of control, and is not the wonderful thing that quite a few of our politicians say that it is. I would suggest that the best policy is to limit immigration to a number no higher than the number of people leaving the UK. By doing that the population is not going to reach 70 million in the next 20 years----and the problem is? Oh I'm sorry , I forgot , you won't comment on an issue-------just make silly comments from behind the curtains!!!
Anonymous----I don't think you will get a debate out of 'Rodders' . When there is nothing constructive to add then making daft comments seems to be the limit.
And just out of interest,Rodders , by being anonymous how do I know that you are not over all the blogs "like a rash". What I say I stand by!!!!!
I don't believe in mincing words Rodders. I'm sure that even someone with your intellect that is so 'intelligent' that a name seems to be beyond your capabilities, will be able to understand. As for being able to debate an issue--------Well?
29 comments:
AmI missing the point or is that a joke.I work in catering,thru an agency.This time last year the average number of hospitality jobs posted at my jobcentre was about a hundred,over the past 6 months or so the average is about 45.And,yes,[I suppose you will call me a racist]the large number of east europeans,predominately poles,hasn't helped the situation.
You ever been an employer? Trying to create jobs without going bust? Oh - I suppose NuLab should be paying employers to create jobs, but with what should they pay us, dear lady, dear lady? With what should they pay us, with what?
how bizarre you are - the "east europeans" who got those jobs have been helped have they not?
You know what I mean.'East Europeans'are elbowing people out of the job market.And when was the last time you had any personal experience of working in an employment environment,such as catering,...?
Tom Harris is trying to make the point that to work is the way to better yourself and to get by.
One problem there----for far too many people there is no way that they are going to be able to earn enough money to make it worthwhile taking a job even if they could get one nowadays.
Basic costs such as rents,council tax and the fact that taxation on income starts at such a low level mean that it is financially unviable for many people to work even if they wanted to!
What we should be doing in this country is to create the conditions that make it advantageous to work and then perhaps more of the long term unemployed might feel the need to do something.
Anonymous mentions the east Europeans,who through no fault of their own have contributed to this situation-----large numbers of immigrants who come here and are prepared to work for less money than the native, serve to keep the level of wages down and push up the cost of accomodation.
This is not racism , but simply fact.
so "East Europeans" are not "people" are they? How very odd. There is a minimum wage,and very many people who work in catering are paid the minimum wage. Any employer who pays less is breaking the law and should be prosecuted. End of. And since you ask I am in an "employment environment" at present. Let me try to explain. It is an old-fashioned but rather simple arrangement. I turn up at a place at pre-arranged hours and days and do things it has been arranged that I will do, and every month they pay me some money. Ever encountered that arrangement? It's called going to work.
I did'nt ask if you were in an 'employment environment'.I asked if you had any experience of the situation in catering on which to base your'e judgements.In other words do you know of that which you speak Ms Griffiths.I think not.
You might have left the House of Fiddlers, but haven't lost the grandee mindset have you ?
Is your "employment situation" a series of short term contracts through an agency for which you compete with what feels like the rest of the world in your own country, on a downward spiral for price ?
No, thought not. No doubt it's something altogether more comfortable.
Vote Labour my arse.
dear oh dear. Apologies for misunderstanding, Anonymous - a good grammar book will help you use commas and apostrophes correctly, otherwise misunderstanding can often ensue. If you had left the comma out after "employment environment" your meaning would have been clear. Just as well you don't write for a living, isn't it? And, Anonymous, I have not used this blog to encourage people to vote Labour, there are plenty of others to do that - although it is what I shall do at the general election as I think my UK MP, Kate Hoey,is excellent. Now if you will excuse me I must dead-head my pelargoniums.
"what feels like the rest of the world in your own country"? hmmm. No prizes for guessing the evil that lies here.
I live in France and competed for a job there. My colleagues are of 47 nationalities (at least). We manage just fine.
I would have thought you would have been more tolerant of lapses in english grammar:I seem to recall you defending a labor councillor in Reading who wasn't literate in english on the grounds he wouldn't understand the relevantmaterial if it was in his own language.[M Iqbal I seem to recall.What DID happen to him?]
Is that because they are all bonkers as well?
I would have thought you would have been more tolerant of lapses in english grammar:
why? I work as an editor, it is my job to be intolerant of lapses in English grammar.
I seem to recall you defending a labor councillor in Reading who wasn't literate in english
Never done such a thing. Not ever. Not true.
on the grounds he wouldn't understand the relevantmaterial if it was in his own language.
huh? doesn't make sense; if he wouldn't have understood it in English because he wasn't literate in that language then surely he WOULD have understood it in his own language. Perhaps this comment has been badly translated from some other language.
[M Iqbal I seem to recall.What DID happen to him?]
Last time I saw Mohammad Iqbal he was living quietly in Reading with his family. And your point is?
God, Jane, you write like a teacher (I know too many of those - and I, too, do quite a lot of editing work).
In staying within the EU we have agreed to a roller coaster ride that in many ways disturbs the way we were. The (allegedly) settled English way of life has been disturbed - oh dear! But here we always had the poor, the ones without a stable job, the ones with poor health, the ones...
A friend who walks a lot in the country remarked recently about the way that the countryside has changed, with the middle class car using tribe buying up all the property - he likened it to the highland clearances - that is a home grown change, not an imported one, and NuLab failed us while it was happening.
Look,at the end of the day we are talking about the impact of european labour on the domestic
job market.Not to mention the impact of large numbers of transient youth on settled communities struggling to defend local political agendas.i.e housing,education,health.Its really that simple:and you should abandon your day dreams of Europa[and Im not talking about a hotel in Belfast]and listen to what ordinary people have to say on the subject...
It seems that my comments no longer make their way through to be published on the post.
Possibly the truth about jobs and immigration (without the bull) is not allowed on this site ----such a shame!!
So what's your alternative, Dreaming Spire?
Tithed cottages and the nationalisation of the land?
a Howard Thomas free zone - you are a saint Jane!
Unfortunately not a Howard Thomas free zone anonymous!!
At least I don't hide behind anonymity to make my comments!!
Anyway , I was always used to be under the impression that the Labour party was in existance to help the average working person to get a better deal out of life.
However in recent years there seems to have been quite a big switch round in so much as by having an open door immigration policy many new workers have entered the UK job market.
This has led to UK wage levels being kept down while accomodation costs have risen.This has not led to a better standard of living for the average person,it has made basic costs more expensive , to be paid for by wages that have not kept pace.
Now lets make it quite clear that this is not the fault of the immigrant ,who after all is only here to improve their lot.
It is the fault of the system/government that allows it!
England is now the most densely populated country in Europe, and there has to come a point at which it is full.I would suggest that this point is now.
I have friends from many parts of the world that live here in England---these include Serbia, Spain,Estonia,India,Italy,West Indies etc etc, but what is clear is that this country is quite simply not big enough to allow immigration to continue at the levels that have been allowed in recent years.
Ugggggh - HT has been unleashed!
Same old twaddle though - well there you go.
Spoken like a true Tory Anonymous!!
Hide behind the curtain and make comments and hope nobody spots who you are---what a plonker! Show yourself if you dare, it might give any argument you make worth listening to------oh ,sorry I forgot ,you only make silly comments
I'm not sure that knowing who someone is actually adds to the strength of their arguments. After all, a name is only a name, it's the thought that counts is is not? The fact that you're called Howard Thomas neither adds nor detracts to how I feel about the nonsence you spout, so the fact you don't know me from Adam / Eve is neither here nor there, hein?
And by the way, why are you over evey blog like a rash as if your every thought needs to be shared. Excuse my musings, but I feel we must be told!
Anonymous Rodders----If it wasn't for people reading blogs and then leaving their comments, then there would be no point in the author writing the blog( perhaps you might agree to that )
As for whether to want to read what I say or not ----tough shit(your choice Rodders)---its my opinion and the opinion of many others that immigration has run out of control, and is not the wonderful thing that quite a few of our politicians say that it is.
I would suggest that the best policy is to limit immigration to a number no higher than the number of people leaving the UK.
By doing that the population is not going to reach 70 million in the next 20 years----and the problem is?
Oh I'm sorry , I forgot , you won't comment on an issue-------just make silly comments from behind the curtains!!!
Adding "hein?" after a comment is wonderfully pseud. Do keep it up.
But how about addressing the 'nonsence' points raised by Mr Thomas ?
'plonker' and 'tough shit' - what a wonerful grasp of the English language you have. Makes me feel all all red, white and blue.
I staying in the closet thank you - it's safer here, hein?
Anonymous----I don't think you will get a debate out of 'Rodders' .
When there is nothing constructive to add then making daft comments seems to be the limit.
And just out of interest,Rodders , by being anonymous how do I know that you are not over all the blogs "like a rash".
What I say I stand by!!!!!
I don't believe in mincing words Rodders.
I'm sure that even someone with your intellect that is so 'intelligent' that a name seems to be beyond your capabilities, will be able to understand.
As for being able to debate an issue--------Well?
Who is 'Rodders' ?
Could the male contributors to this blog stop flaunting their sexuality? This is not a dating site .
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